While Interleague Play has lost its sheen in a lot of cities (I doubt a lot of Arizona fans are hyped about the riveting Tigers/Diamonbacks tilt today), it still remains important to Chicago fans. Sox fans, in particular, take great pride in beating the Cubs in the two series the teams play. Because our site is devoted to these teams, and the differences the teams possess, Taft and I talked about the game last night . The conversation follows:
Ross Gianfortune: We should wager something.
Alex Taft: True. Perhaps we’ll come up with it as we’re typing this thing out. Because there is a distinct possibility that each team will win two out of three in each series.
AT: I’m trying to find a historical record of the matchup – that’d be a good place to start
RG: Yeah, surprisingly, neither the Trib nor the Times has run one [Thursday]. Maybe they’re waiting until [Friday].
AT: Well, the historical record isn’t all that important anyway because it’s not like there have been the same players on both teams since Interleague play started in 1997.
AT: The important thing is that the Cubs and White Sox always seem to play close, exciting games in a playoff-like atmosphere
RG: Right.
RG: Aaron Rowand is a Bears fan and the Bleacher Bums think he’s OK because of it.
AT: Leave it to the bears to bring peace between the warring sides of the city
AT: Well, last year, the Cubs won 4 out of 6. The Sox won 2 out of 3 in the first series at The Cell, and then the Cubs swept the series at Wrigley.
AT: Somehow I don’t think that’s going to happen this year.
RG: The Sox have a 22-20 record against the Cubs since Interleague began.
RG: So, yes, it’s an evenly matched series.
AT: Very.
RG: The question isn’t whether it’s historically evenly-matched, but which team has the edge this year.
AT: Right. Well, despite the Sox’ superior record (this season and in the series overall), I’m inclined to predict a split, each team taking two out of three at home. But perhaps that’s just wishful thinking – the Cubs haven’t been playing particularly well as of late, and the only reason they have won two games in a row is due to Jose Mesa realizing that he’s really not the greatest closer on planet earth.
RG: Your idea that the Cubs are going to split is wishful thinking. The Cubs, for all your hope, are 13th in the NL in runs scored. The Sox are sixth in the AL in runs scored. On the other end of the ledger, the Cubs are eighth in the league in ERA.
RG: The Sox are first in the AL in that department.
RG: So, relative to their respective leagues, the Sox are considerably better.
RG: The Sox have scored about twenty more runs than the Cubs and given up about twenty less. I feel pretty good about the Sox in this series.
AT: Woof! 13th – I hadn’t realized the Cubs had dropped that far. It’s a testament to what a lousy month they’ve had. They were in the top 5 in runs scored at the end of April.
RG: And, while the Sox’ actual record is three wins better than their pythagorean record, they’d still have the second-best record in the majors (after Atlanta).
AT: But their pitching isn’t going to hold up. It can’t. Los Cubanos Ancianos are pitching way over their heads. That’s got to stop at some point. Now, it might not be this weekend, as the Cubs might not be a good enough team to really put the screws to the Sox pitching staff, but it will happen eventually.
RG: Still.
AT: All that said, I feel pretty decent about the Cubs’ chances this weekend, mostly because they don’t have to face either of the best pitchers on the White Sox, Jon Garland and Mark Buehrle.
RG: Yes, but according to the Trib, Marky-Mark and Garland both suck against the Cubs (5.29 and 6.31, respectively).
AT: Well, Garland sucked against everybody until this year. I don’t know what to say about Buehrle other than I guess anybody can struggle against a certain team. Still, they are both the best pitchers on the Sox this year, and the Cubs don’t have to face them at home.
RG: Well, yes and no. All five Sox starters have been above average. Garcia’s 4.02 ERA is nothing to write home about, but it’s better than all Cub starters not named Mark William Prior.
RG: Even your boy, Big Z, has a 4.05 ERA.
AT: Those ERAs don’t tell the whole story, though. Let’s examine the weekend’s pitching matchups, shall we?
AT: Friday’s matchup is Garcia (4.02 ERA, 5.87 K/9) vs. Maddux (4.15 ERA, 6.23 K/9). Saturday is Zambrano (4.09 ERA, 8.17 K/9) against TippyPitch McGhee (3.52, 6.65 K/9), and Sunday is Calfzilla (2.93 ERA, 10.17 K/9) against El Duque (3.97 ERA, 5.87 K/9)
RG: OK, I feel OK about that.
RG: TippyPitch and Garcia’s ERAs are close to the Cubs’ starters (within a half-run or so).
RG: Sure, El Duque stinks, but what do you expect from someone who had Jesus as a camp counselor?
AT: Anyway, before we examine the pitching matchups, let me just make my point: there’s no way that all 87 years of Contreras and El Duque are going to keep pitching with sub-4 ERAs with K rates under 6 in US Cellular Field. And there’s no reason to believe that Contreras’ is going to remain on the plus side of 6, considering he’s 33 (HA!) and his career K rate is 5.68.
RG: I’m not arguing that.
RG: But, the Sox happen to have Brandon McCarthy, he of a 61/15 K/BB ratio down in Charlotte.
AT: Good for them. I would be shocked if Ozzie moved a struggling Contreras or Duque to the bullpen in favor of McCarthy, though… just doesn’t seem like something he would do.
RG: Why not?
AT: I don’t know. He’s bonkers. He’s saying he might not play Frank Thomas.
RG: Not that it matters. El Duque will be hurt by the time McCarthy is ready. The Future is now.
RG: Yeah, he is bonkers. I like that.
AT: Anyway, Maddux had been pitching pretty well in May until he encountered the water-logged mound at RFK Stadium. That really seemed to mess with his pitching mojo.
RG: Sure. Blame the mound. Wes Obermueller didn’t seem to have a bad time with it. Maddux, a hall-of-famer, should be above petty complaining about such things.
RG: That was bush league.
AT: Was it bush league that Maddux complained about the mound, or was the mound at RFK bush league? I think it was the latter.
AT: The thing about Maddux is that he is very specific about where his feet land when he pitches, so a wet mound could probably really mess with him. I have heard that his spikes land in the same spike holes on every single delivery – and that he has designed his delivery so he will do that.
RG: I find that hard to believe.
AT: Well, me too. But I have heard crazier things about Maddux.
RG: He’s pitched on something like 25 different mounds in his career.
RG: I’m pretty sure he’s been on worse mounds than that at RFK at one time or another.
AT: Not since the minor leagues.
RG: Maybe, but that’s still a bush league thing to complain about. Do your job.
AT: Whatever. This isn’t the first time someone’s complained about the crappy conditions at RFK, and it probably won’t be the last.
RG: Yeah, but it’s similar to when hitters complain about big pitcher’s parks. It’s dumb. Last time I checked, the other guy has to pitch on that mound, too.
RG: Plus, I’m sure Maddux has had his home-field advantages at the varying parks he’s pitched at. That happens. Each park is different.
AT: Yeah, and if you’ll recall, Jon Patterson, the Nationals pitcher also complained about the mound, and the grounds crew came out to fix it.
AT: Was that also bush league, Mr. Shut Up and Do Your Job?
RG: Yes. Yes it was.
RG: The Sox home park (to get back to the Chicago team that’s actually in first place) was the best for home run hitters in the AL in 2004.
RG: Did you hear Jon Garland, Mark Buerhle, et. al complain about it? No.
RG: Did Rick Sutcliffe complain about pitching at Wrigley when the wind was blowing out?
RG: No.
RG: It’s bush league.
AT: That’s apples and oranges. Complaining about the dimensions of the playing field is totally different than complaining about the conditions of the playing field.
RG: I don’t think so. It’s all the workplace environment.
AT: Well, you’re wrong, but whatever. Let’s get back to the Sox @ Cubs series. Any bold predictions to make?
RG: Bold predictions? The only prediction I’ll make is that the Sox will not get swept at Wrigley. The Sox are too good.
AT: Well, I can’t say that I disagree with that.
RG: Any predictions for the artists formerly known as Snugglies?
AT: The White Sox are playing great baseball right now, and the Cubs haven’t been, so I think the Cubs will probably drop one at home. The most likely candidate in my mind to get beaten by the Sox is Zambrano, and it’s not because he hasn’t pitched well in recent outings – it’s because he’s hurt. I’m very concerned about this tennis elbow business; I’m concerned that the Cubs are not giving it the full attention it deserves, and I’m concerned that Zambrano, being the fierce competitor that he is, will pitch through any pain he might be having, and not pitch as well as a result. But even if all the starting pitching is great, the bullpen could implode at any second.
AT: Maddux, to me, seems like the type of pitcher who could really eat up the Sox – they are not a patient team, and Maddux loves to take advantage of guys swinging early in the count.
RG: Oh, yeah.
AT: And Prior has been trick nasty. Any starting pitcher with a K rate of 10+ has got to be considered one of the best starters in baseball.
RG: Look, as you know, I’m not a true believer in this team as a lot of people are.
AT: Yes, I am well aware of your relative lack of belief in the Pale Hose.
RG: I understand the Sox are a horribly flawed team offensively. But, on the other side of the ledger (run prevention), the Sox are excellent. Any team that good at run prevention—especially in such a hitter’s park—is going to be OK.
RG: They are average at preventing walks, but are excellent at two things: BA against (an MLB-best .236) and keeping the ball in the yard (second in the AL with 32 HR against).
RG: The first is a testament to a monster defense (still at the top in defensive effiency) and the second is a testament to good pitching, I guess. Maybe luck.
AT: Well, that HR prevention stat does not bode well for the Cubs this weekend – they have been heavily dependent on the home run. You can throw out walks with both of these teams – neither team walks, and both will be hacking away all weekend. The average game time will be like 2:25.
AT: Especially without the DH
RG: I’m looking forward to TippyPitch trying to hit. That should be interesting.
AT: Watching AL pitchers hit during interleague play is one of my favorite parts of it.
RG: Yeah, it’s hilarious. I remember watching James Baldwin a few years back and laughing out loud.
AT: The Sox’s defense is a mystery to me, though. Where are they getting all this great defense from? The ChiPod? Certainly not Rowand. Is Iguchi really good? Uribe? I have my doubts that he is, as The Quote Machine said, “The best shortstop ever.”
RG: No, man. Rowand is good.
RG: The Sox have two centerfielders (Rowand and the ChiPod) and a Gold Glove winner (Dye) in their outfield. They have a shortstop with great defensive numbers (Uribe), Iguchi (who has a nice reputation) and Crede (ditto) in the infield.
RG: The Sox really do have a good defensive team.
AT: And it can’t be hard to cover the ground in the Cellular outfield
RG: Well, they’ve done it in opponent’s parks, too. Comerica, the Jake. The Humpdome.
AT: I’m still surprised they play the ChiPod in left instead of center.
RG: Well, Rowand is pretty good out there. He isn’t the fastest guy in the league, but he’s got a decent arm and he gets to a lot of balls. ChiPod’s biggest weakness (other than his bat. Zing!) is his arm.
AT: Yeah, he is dragging that team down a lot less than I had hoped.
RG: He is a base-stealing motherfucker. 24 out of 30, for a nice, cool 80% rate.
AT: Okay, I have an idea for the wager: how about we bet on the season series instead of just this weekend?
RG: What will we do if they split?
AT: Well, why don’t we make specific predictions (i.e., Sox win games 1 & 3 at Wrigley, etc.), and in the event of a split, whoever’s predictions are closer wins. We can wait to make the predictions for the series at The Cell until we know what the pitching matchups will look like.
RG: No way, man.
RG: That’s way too complicated.
AT: OK, do you have any better ideas?
RG: Why don’t we go by runs for/against.
RG: If they split, whomever has the smaller run differential wins.
RG: Like, let’s say they split, but the Sox win one of the game, like 25-3.
RG: I win, then.
AT: Oh, I see. Yeah, that’s a great idea. I’m assuming we would take the combined scores from all the games?
AT: Okay, unofficially, I would like to proclaim that I am predicting a split.
AT: But, officially, for the sake of this wager, the Cubs will win 4 out of 6.
RG: Oh, man, I expect the Sox to win 5 of 6.
AT: As sad as it makes me to say this, I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
RG: Ozzie will outmanage Dusty in one of the games this weekend. I anticipate it’ll be the Sunday game. Dusty’ll leave Prior out there too long, while Ozzie’ll bring in Shingo, Dustin and Damaso.
AT: The one thing I can’t fault Dusty on this year is his handling of Prior. He has averaged about 103 pitches per start, and his season high so far has been 110. That said, Zambrano pitched 136 two outings ago and came down with “tennis elbow,” so it’s not like Dusty has softened up to abusing young pitchers.
RG: Yeah, Dusty feels insecure without a ‘proven closer’ and needs to work his starters into the ground.
AT: Well, I understand that to a certain degree… I’d feel insecure with no bullpen whatsoever, too. But that doesn’t excuse Dusty being, you know, a terrible manager.
RG: I agree.
AT: So, are we betting a photo of you in Cubs garb or me in Sox garb? To be posted on the website?
RG: Yeah, for the season series.
AT: Agreed.
AT: Would you like the pinstripes or the blue pajamas?
AT: If I lose, I want the computer writing jersey, like your buddy icon
RG: Yeah, of course. I’ll send the hat, as well.
RG: It’s the only Sox jersey I have. I got rid of my silver and black jersey last year.
AT: They should still have that logo. The Sox would still have fans if they had that logo.
RG: No, they wouldn’t.